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The two main things you are getting is a resource for when you have issues within the league that can't be resolved by the league board and the other is league fund bonding. Even if you use the house for your treasurer (which I highly recommend) your prize money is guaranteed even if the house shuts down.  

Also it gives a set of rules to govern your league. Almost every kind of scenario is covered in the rule book. Plus tournaments, even non-sanctioned ones use your book average for handicap purposes. Not some random league sheet that may or may not be your true average. 

Is it worth $25? That's up for debate. 
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If I was you I would not Certify my league next year.
"BUT"  I would not bowl in a tournament against your bowlers.
If they tried to join my league I would probably rerate them though.

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Does anyone know if any leagues around the Detroit area got reclassified?
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Most of those places went out of business.  I haven't heard of any.
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So the saga continues...

After reviewing the numerical data provided to us by the USBC, it turns out that they are not taking into account ALL of the averages our bowlers carry in other centers...they are only using a bowler's highest non-Parkview average in determining that bowler's "average difference".  When ALL other averages are taken into consideration, the league's "average difference" drops...not enough last season to get it below the Sport Shot threshold, but it's close.

To give an example, we have a bowler in our league who bowled in 4 leagues last season.  His Parkview average was 191, and his other averages were 206, 212, and 227.

Per the USBC methodology, his average difference is 36 pins (227-191).
Per a methodology that looks at ALL of his averages, his difference is only 24 pins (15+21+36)/3.

(And yes I know both numbers are above the 20-pin Sport Shot threshold...I'm pointing out how the two methods can produce very different numbers)

They are also not basing their decision on the league's history over several seasons, only on what happened last season.  I have league records going back 4 years, and when I look at the league over that timeframe, our "average difference" is 18.59...that puts us into Challenge league territory, not Sport Shot.

In short, they're basing their rerate decisions on as few data points as possible, which any statistician will tell you is NOT the way to do it if you want accurate information.

As such, we are re-appealing their decision based on these issues.  However, I'm starting to get the impression that they initially decided they were going to rerate the leagues, then cherry-picked the numbers to ensure their calculated average difference would be as high as possible.  We'll see what they say.



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Just an update:  our league filed a second appeal to the rerate, which the USBC has now rejected.  All of the documentation regarding this rerate will be placed online soon for our league members (and anybody else interested) to see.  I'll post a link soon.

Needless to say I'm not happy about this.  An organization truly interested in the well-being of its members needs to handle issues like this in an open and congenial way...explain the problem they have and what precipitated it, describe why you need to take action and what you're trying to do to resolve it, and understand and appreciate the perspectives of the affected membership.

Unfortunately I have to say that the USBC's attitude through all this has been exceptionally disappointing...they've been cold and aloof and don't actually seem to have read anything we've said in our appeals or care what this will do to our league.  Acting in this way does nothing but reinforce the negative feelings people have in regards to the USBC and will undoubtedly continue to erode the sanctioned league base in this country as affected leagues choose to no longer sanction. 

Whether we choose to stop sanctioning or accept the sport shot rerate, I'm sure we're going to lose bowlers over this.  Whether it's enough to kill the league or not I don't know...I sure hope it isn't. 
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Their job is to protect the vast majority of bowlers who would be at a disadvantage when bowling in tournaments against your bowlers.  I would not like it if I were you or your league but fair is fair.  It isn't the other bowlers fault.
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