Bowling Forums, Bowling Discussion and Bowling Talk
Sign up Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 2 of 3      Prev   1   2   3   Next
themrfreeze

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 3,772
Reply with quote  #16 
My understanding of the issue is this:

The new guidelines allow for an increase in the amount of side/top/thumb weight you can have...from 1 oz. to 3 oz.  The original purpose of these modest weight "imbalances" (back in the days before balls had cores) was to allow for the pancake-shaped weight block under the ball's label to be shifted around a bit (in relation to where the finger/thumb holes are) to cause a change in ball reaction...either making it hook sooner or later.  Compared to a ball with a core the changes were pretty subtle but noticeable.  If you REALLY wanted to play games with the pancake block then you needed a balance hole to compensate for a dramatic shift in its location.    You still got the change in reaction but the balance hole made the ball legal.

The introduction of cores in balls makes the situation a lot more complicated and I'm not going to claim to understand all of the science behind it, but the balance hole essentially does the same thing it did before...change the reaction of the ball to something you can't get unless the hole is there.  Sometimes people do this on purpose to get a certain type of atypical ball reaction, but other times it's done out of necessity to simply make a ball legal. 

Like I said before I have some Faball Hammers I bought used that *had* to have a balance hole so that the ball could be drilled in such a way that the plugged holes weren't in my track.  The guy that drills my stuff is very experienced and it's always been his way to drill up used balls like this.  I didn't ask for it to be done and it doesn't really benefit me in any way to have the balance holes, but the USBC apparently chooses to not make the differentiation.  

I also have a balance hole in two of the three resin balls I own (yes, he does own a few!), including one I bought brand new last year.  All of my gear with cores is drilled exactly the same way...stacked leverage...and in the case of the new ball the particular location of the pin/CG/etc required it be drilled with a balance hole so the ball was legal and at leverage.  Plugging everything and redrilling without a hole won't allow a leverage layout, so what, my options are to throw it out or pay $80 to have it redrilled for a layout I don't want?   Nonsense.  Hopefully enough people will b!tch about the rule change so the USBC grandfathers in older balls.  
     
Pullmyfinger

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,677
Reply with quote  #17 
Mike Machuga just had a great post in the USBC forum on Facebook. It went something like this:

Joe Average Bowler goes to Nationals this year with his new ball. At ball check in they say it has 1 3/8 oz. side weight and it's illegal. Heads over to one of the booths and pays $10 to have a weight hole drilled into it to make it legal. Comes back two years later and they say his ball is illegal and must have the hole plugged. Joe says if he has it plugged won't it have too much side weight and make it illegal? They say nahhhhh. Side weights don't matter anymore. 

[rofl][rofl][rofl]
Oldbowler

Registered:
Posts: 290
Reply with quote  #18 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pullmyfinger
Mike Machuga just had a great post in the USBC forum on Facebook. It went something like this:

Joe Average Bowler goes to Nationals this year with his new ball. At ball check in they say it has 1 3/8 oz. side weight and it's illegal. Heads over to one of the booths and pays $10 to have a weight hole drilled into it to make it legal. Comes back two years later and they say his ball is illegal and must have the hole plugged. Joe says if he has it plugged won't it have too much side weight and make it illegal? They say nahhhhh. Side weights don't matter anymore. 

[rofl][rofl][rofl]

Exactly. Just another way of jerking bowlers around for basically nothing.

__________________
Old bowlers never die, they just fade away.
Fordman

Registered:
Posts: 3,649
Reply with quote  #19 
Why not tighten up the spec. on how much the ball can be out of balance, before they had all the crazy weight blocks.  Remember the old days when all you had was top and side weight?  I am no expert but I see too many people hooking the ball today that should not be and wouldn't "in the old days" 
__________________
Shake a Vets hand you owe them.
Dearborn Mi. Home town of Henry Ford
Oldbowler

Registered:
Posts: 290
Reply with quote  #20 
Here is a link to a video one pro shop guy put up.


__________________
Old bowlers never die, they just fade away.
avabob

Registered:
Posts: 413
Reply with quote  #21 
Balance holes have little impact on the amount a ball hooks. Not really sure why the USBC wants to stir up such a hornets nest over a change that will have minimal impact on the game
Dare

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,229
Reply with quote  #22 
Wonder what the 3 ounces of side weight will do

SpinBowler300

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 808
Reply with quote  #23 
The USBC didn't have a problem with weight holes as they were intended. However, when weight holes became P1, P2, P3 or P4 weight holes, it violated the original purpose. Therefore, let's get rid of weight holes and up the static weights. It makes perfect sense to this bowler. 
__________________
Fall Leagues: Monday - Five Star Lanes, Tuesday  & Thursday - Astro Lanes.
Balls: Motiv Golden Jackal, Motiv Trident Abyss, Motiv Hydra & Motiv Hyper Sniper. All made in the USA.

avabob

Registered:
Posts: 413
Reply with quote  #24 
Don't know what the original purpose was, but I have been using weight holes to impact ball reaction for 35 years. I actually use them less in the modern environment of core heavy and strong asymmetrics. Like I said, why stir up a hornets nest for something that will have minimal impact on scoring
BoWler145

Registered:
Posts: 1
Reply with quote  #25 
The Irony of this I brought the black widow urethane back in December ir has a balance hole which I didn't want in the first place ir is only there because the ball driller said I needed it to make the ball legal.

Now is my interpretation correct if I want to stay legal till 2020 I need to wait to plug it and hope it is with in the 3 once limit at that time or get a new ball?

True this might be a moot point because I might retire it to the closet by the time the rule change goes into effect.
Dare

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,229
Reply with quote  #26 
I do but how many other people throw a ball 2 years nowadays 

themrfreeze

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 3,772
Reply with quote  #27 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dare
I do but how many other people throw a ball 2 years nowadays 



(Raises his hand, fist clenched)

I just took inventory...I have five balls with weight holes due to the label being offset:

Faball Blue Hammer - I have one 300 with that
Faball Red Hammer - I have one 300 and an 833 with that ball
Faball Burgundy Hammer
Hammer Ratchet (bought it used some years back just to have one resin ball)
Monster Bowling Loch Ness Monster (the only resin ball I have that I bought new)

The first three (especially the first two) are regularly used and I'll be throwing them until either they die or I die, irregardless of what the USBC says.  The Ratchet doesn't see any use anymore.  I have no need to throw the Loch Ness in my regular leagues, but it may get used in tournaments at unfamiliar centers, so I can foresee having this ball for many years to come.
Bucketofslawski

Registered:
Posts: 429
Reply with quote  #28 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dare
I do but how many other people throw a ball 2 years nowadays 



I still carry and use often:

1. Hammer Jacked
2. MoRich NTense LevRG
3. DV8 Misfit (the pinkish-orange one)
4. Lane Masters Counterstrike
5. Storm Wipe Out
Storm Natural (my go-to for right corner spares)

used rarely due to match-up problems:

Storm Punch Out (too skid/flip)
Radical Times Up (too weak except on dry lanes and short patterns)
Ebonite Big One (liked it at first but reaction died after tracking up)
Storm Sync (a good outside line ball for sport patterns, rolls and will not flip late)

Liked these and used them till they cracked:

Storm Virtual Gravity Nano
Ebonite Smash Time Pearl

I sometimes joke that I don't start bowling well with a ball until it has been discontinued. I've had 700s this season with the Jacked, Misfit and LevRG. The LevRG is a tricky matchup, it either carries the pocket very well or not at all with no in-between, and I stopped carrying it for about a year. I started this season poorly and couldn't throw strikes with anything, brought it out of the closet and shot 750-something. I don't buy new equipment every season. I have historically had difficulty with new balls because they react too hard, forcing me to cross more boards than my ball speed (lack of speed) can carry. In general a tracked-up ball which has absorbed some oil gives me a better reaction than something fresh from the factory. I want a spread of equipment that gives me different reactions and hook shapes, and when I find something that works well on some conditions it will stay in the bag for a long time. And, at my age and with the volumes of oil used I don't carry from deep inside anymore. I need stuff that allows me to stay closer to the track area, and new "grabbier" balls just force me too deep.


TCJ

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,094
Reply with quote  #29 
For the longest time I used old equipment.   I recently got rid of most of it because I changed ball weights, but prior to that I would use a ball as long as it worked.    I still have a Columbia 300 Beast which I like and have no intention of pitching.   I have a lot of new equipment now, but I intend to get many years of use out of them, especially since I tend to like ball reaction better once the ball has worn out a little.

I am not the only one in my center who uses old equipment.   A good number of the bowlers use old, if not ancient, equipment including some of the best bowlers in the house.

__________________
Highs: Series (Sanc.): 794 | Game (Sanc.): 290/257 (LH) | Game (Unsanc.): 300 | Game Sport: 263 Averages: High (RH): 211 | High (LH): 175 | Sport: 166 (56) | Shark(8): 149 | Scorpion(8): 184 | Chameleon(12): 170 | Viper(12): 169 | Cheetah(12): 160 | US Open(3): 175 ___________________________
Homerson1

Registered:
Posts: 2
Reply with quote  #30 
This is probably a stupid question but does a 1/8" vent hole for my thumb count?
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.