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Beeswaxhead

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I watched guys dress the lanes in the 70s and I watched guys dress the lanes in the 80s. I’ve heard cry-babies try to say the lanemachine ruined our sport. That’s a bunch of bs. Reactive resin balls and these surfaces on the lanes is what hurt our sport. A few too many owners and GM’s of centers back in the 70s/80s were lazy as hell lol and Ben “ Blasé” Palumbo the VP of the ABC during those years, caught wood lane centers and some synthetic lane centers not resurfacing the lanes like they were supposed to be done. Wood lanes were supposed to be resurfaced once a year every year and synthetics were supposed to be resurfaced every 2 years. Ben would approach the center GM and warn him that when he came back within the next 30 days, if the lanes weren’t resurfaced then he wouldn’t sanction their center that season. I saw this happen to a percentage of centers in Western New York where I’m from. It just goes to show you how way to darn soft our great sport has gotten. Do away these stupid and ridiculous animal patterns. Get rid of this blue oil and Xmas tree shot garbage. Go back to gutter-to-gutter/1 board to 1 board with heavy oil.
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Synthetic lanes were never designed to be resurfaced, although some centers do resurface when the synthetics deteriorate. There was no requirement for such a practice. ABC required wood to be resurfaced annually, but BPAA got that rescinded prior to 1970. Urethane finish was beginning to replace lacquer about that time and it did protect the surfaces better.
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Avabob I distinctively remember synthetic lanes being resurfaced every 2 years. The ABC did make it mandatory for Wood you’re correct but, they did check the conditions of synthetic lanes and if they weren’t up to par, the ABC would threaten to not sanction their center. Ben Palumbo was very strict like he needed to be and he didn’t play games.
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Lanes always have to pass the tolerance specs each year, but sanding is not required on scheduled basis. Synthetics are seldom sanded. Newer generation lanes, such as Pro Lane are quite hard
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The last discussion I remember about resurfacong was when a proprietor said his wood lanes specs were dictated by actual wear not necessarily a time limit .If memory serves, there was a tolerance of 40 thousandths of an inch (??, ) high to low from side to side and another
measurement between the heads and the pin decks. The time limit could have been an estimate and they made it a rule??
I can't recall a synthetic being resurfaced or needing it , although the lanes at the Stadium were visibly worn , but the use on those lanes was quite excessive.Those lanes were replaced.

The worst cases of bowling misinformation I have seen or been told throughout the decades has come from ABC /USBC reps ( mostly locals), Bowling Writers (usually older -more gullible ?) and a few lane men.
And some TV commentators , namely Bo Burton.
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P.J. do you remember where you heard that info.

Could it have been like when Bob Smith would tell us that Stan and Lito have 20 more pins hdcp this week because they haven't cashed fore 2 weeks.
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Bob lol for real? I don’t make up things and say stuff just to hear myself talk. Being born and raised in what was the bowling Capital Of The World for 29 years til 1989 Buffalo, NY, I know what the hell I’m talking about. Not to mention home of Ben Palumbo, who disapproved more honor scores than anyone in the history of the ABC. He wrongfully disapproved Glen Allison’s 900. This is the truth, wood lanes were usually resurfaced once every year, if they weren’t there would be too much destruction, wear and tear too quickly. Ben Palumbo and other ABC reps, used to go around to these centers and check their lanes. Synthetic lanes had no requirements or rules on resurfacing, the only time the reps got strict at synthetic lane centers is when they came through unannounced casually or got a call because someone reported the lanes were messed up. I understand what you’re saying Bob but, it seems to me like you’re trying to turn this into a debate and there’s nothing to debate about. Everything I just mentioned is the truth. As a matter of fact, I’m good friends with a gentlemen by the name of Jim Zebehazy who used to work for ABC as a Firld Services Rep and he retired working for them after 35 years, as a Supervisor back in I believe 2005 or 2006 after they became USBC. I learned some very valuable info from him, along with the rules and regs Iearned about the ABC. Needless to say, the sport of bowling was ten times better the ABC was running the show.
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Lmao Bob, if you think Bo Burton gave the worst case of information, you’re crazy in the head huh. Bo was a great commentator, so was Durbin, Earl Anthony and Marshall. Randy Pedersen is the one who makes too many bloopers and at times slips up on giving misinformation. Everyone’s got their opinions but, Bo was great and a lot more people agree with me than not my friend!!
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Avabob resurfacing was required once a year on wood lanes. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Synthetics were based on the wear and tear but, I do remember some synthetic centers resurfacing their lanes every 2-3 years just for maintaining them. The wood lane requirements of resurfacing every year went away after USBC took it over and of course around that time in 2002, over half of the wood centers in our greatest country in the world, became synthetic.
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Mission Bowl in Oceanside, Cal that closed down in the fall of 1991 after 25 years being opened, was living proof of the mandatory requirements of wood lanes having to be resurfaced once a year. Roy Hoernke and his crew would be down on their hands/knees with chisels as well as other tools, resurfacing the hell out of those lanes. They did it once a year and he put Vaseline in the oil to make it stretch longer and thicker. Gentlemen I’ve been around the sport a very, very longtime. I know what the hell I’m talking about. Nobody can bamboozle me about bowling. The only thing I don’t know about bowling is how to fix the pinsetters, just a few things that I’ve was shown at a small center in Okinawa when I was in the Marine Corps. I also don’t know how to drill balls but, I’m an expert on layouts. Anybody here wants to challenge me on what I mentioned about wood lanes, YOU’RE WASTING YOUR PRECIOUS TIME!
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I owned a 16 lane wood center from 1979 till 1984. We resurfaced once in that period. We did recoat every year. Lanes were sanctioned every year because they met tolerances. Annual requirement to resurface ended in the 60s due to pressure from BPAA on ABC.

There has never been a requirement to resurface synthetics if they meet tolerance, although the life span of them was vastly over sold by the manufacturers. Modern balls going clear back to heavily sanded urethane are much harder on the synthetics than people anticipated at the time.
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The center I worked at in my teens had two sides. 24 synthetic (Rumored to be the first ever) and 16 wood. The wood side was resurfaced every other year. The in between years it was just lightly screened. I could be wrong, but there's no way you can resurface a synthetic lane. It would ruin the finish. The whole concept of synthetic lanes (and later overlays) was to not have to resurface again and save cost long term. 

Lane machines and urethane didn't ruin bowling. Putting out "wall" shots did. Proprietors wanted happy bowlers. Happy bowlers liked higher scores. Happy bowlers spend more money. More money meant happy proprietors. When urethane hit it just exploded, but it was set in motion well before that. Urethane was Pandora's box. 
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The center I worked at in my teens had two sides. 24 synthetic (Rumored to be the first ever) and 16 wood. The wood side was resurfaced every other year. The in between years it was just lightly screened. I could be wrong, but there's no way you can resurface a synthetic lane. It would ruin the finish. The whole concept of synthetic lanes (and later overlays) was to not have to resurface again and save cost long term. 

Lane machines and urethane didn't ruin bowling. Putting out "wall" shots did. Proprietors wanted happy bowlers. Happy bowlers liked higher scores. Happy bowlers spend more money. More money meant happy proprietors. When urethane hit it just exploded, but it was set in motion well before that. Urethane was Pandora's box. 


Urethane + short oil!
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Avabob lol, you’re preaching to the choir. I’ll respect the fact that you used to own a wood lane center. I already knew there was no requirement on resurfacing synthetic lanes but, if they worn down or got in bad shape and the ABC rep had to come out, then they told you if you didn’t resurface them your center would not get sanctioned. I guess certain areas of our greatest country in the world, were doing things a little different back then with ABC. In Western New York, Ben was very strict on that like he needed to be because there a few centers here and there slacking off on taking care of the lanes. Back then as you know, centers were ran 15 times better than they are now.
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Before one of the places I bowled finally replaced their
wooden lanes I heard for ten years this is the last year we
can resurface theres not enough wood left to do it again

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