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Bob_DeDowney

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That "Worlds" final was too much.

I feel sorry for Those other four players.
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Please, do elaborate on why you think so. He still had to bowl 56 qualifying games like everybody else to get there.

He has the talent, no doubt about it. I am not a fan of the two-handed style, but its the modern game and he is very good.
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I don't get the cheating part either. There's more 2 handed
bowlers competing than him. You think he might be just
that much better than the rest

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Tennis rackets has changed that sport and balls have changes bowling. Golf clubs, maybe but that skill will always be getting that ball in the hole. No technology in that.

Belmonte is one of a kind and is dominating the way Tiger at one time did.

Face up and take in what he does. I am in awe and want to see him go. His family seems to be the real deal and he does this with a home base...........where? 

Belmo has grown on me....................get this crisis over so we can resume seeing this guy perform.

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It was apparent early on that Belmo was more than just a guy who could tear the cover off the ball with his 2 handed release. Ability to adjust his axis rotation is subtle, but something he does better than most other 2 handers
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While not a fan of the two handed craze, he is by far the best at it. He's fluid and steady with no herky jerky movements in his body or arm swing. Like avabob said he also changes his axis effortlessly. He's a two handed version of Ozio, Voss or Earl among others. 
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I would love to know what Belmonte's money deal w/ Storm Bowling is?  Maybe they sponsor all his travel while in the US?
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I'm sure it's an exclusive 6-figure deal like PDW probably gets. Only speculation of course, but PDW has been with them since 1997, it would be easy to assume they kick him cash.

I have only heard stories about the mid-90's and the crazy incentive money on TV for throwing a certain ball and shirt combo.
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I would guess by now, at this stage of PDW's career, they can't be paying him that much.
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I BOWLED the Masters in 1996. Storm was just getting established, and was offering anyone who made the show anywhere ftom 2 to 5k to throw their stuff. Others were offering comparable amounts. Staffers had their own deals, which had to be better. Funny story. I knew a guy who did make the show throwing an older Cuda C. At the practice session the next day Storm guys were drilling out balls as fast as he could throw them. He tried them all then ended up throwing the Cuda on the show. Dont know what if anything he got from Columbia.
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Correct. Back in the day there were lists posted in the paddock on what each ball, shirt, etc. paid that day. The newer the ball, the more money it paid. Staffers would get that money, plus a kicker for being on staff. If memory serves me correctly, they would get double.

Except for the elite players, staffers didn't get paid that much. It was a nice little bonus, but they did get flown back and worth for ball testing and person appearances and such. I'm sure the more personal appearances they made, the more money they got plus food and hotel rooms.
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Met him last year bowling a local tournament in Raleigh, NC. The Buffalos brothers sponsored the event and managed to get him to be the visiting pro. Nothing but praise for him and how he handled himself! I was on the late shift of the second day, and it was obvious he was exhausted. Gent didn't miss a beat and was most gracious to myself and my teammates. Perked his interest that I had spent a little time in Australia back during my Navy days (mid 80's). After a bit of chat and a few photos, he was on his way to the next group in the house. Class act in my book.

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I have no problems with Jason. Let the man bowl....
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Please, do elaborate on why you think so. He still had to bowl 56 qualifying games like everybody else to get there.

He has the talent, no doubt about it. I am not a fan of the two-handed style, but its the modern game and he is very good.


We can discuss talent a bit later although I think he throws harder and out revs the others he will be successful as long as they keep using the highest friction balls on Xmas tree patterns and a high oil depletion rate on the heads, _ and pins that disappear behind the masking units ( that's 2 feet above the pin deck )

If you watched the Qualifying and match play and the stepladder you can figure out why I say it was cheating.

In this case a huge advantage was GIVEN to the top seed who was J.B.
Would it have been done if someone else was top seed ?
That's the rub J.B. was top seed and it was done.

So what happened on that stepladder ?
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The balls, the lanes, and the oils are the environment. Best bowler has always been the one who adapts most successfully to the environment. This has been true for 40 years. Mark Roth made a generation of great straight strokers obsolete eith hid grip it and rip it style. Like Belmo, Roth could win on many conditions, but before long the tour was filled with power players, many of whom were one hit wonders. Short oil and urethane balls contributed mightily to this. When Resin first came out it was the cup wristed power players who called them cheater balls, because the strokers again became competitive to some degree with resin. However the power players learned how to combine speed with revs to again thrive in the high friction resin environment.

I know we live in a conspiracy theory world, but the domination of Belmonte is not unlike what Roth did in the 70s. It is a high friction environment, because many players are throwing resin at 500+revs. The 2 handed player is the natural evolution in this environment.
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