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Hi, I bowled in a league from the time that I was 10 years old until I left for the Navy at 18, I'm now 31 and just trying to get back into league bowling. As a teen, I carried a 190+ average for my last two seasons, so I was very confident and considered myself a good bowler. Fast forward until now, I've bowled 15 games over the last month and every time I go out, sometime between late in the first or early in the second game I get a severe pain radiating from my upper slide leg. I feels like a "charlie horse" that just won't go away (until several hours after I've stopped bowling). It seems to be located in the upper thigh, around the front/outside portion, kind of just below the hip. When I was a youth, I never had these pains, I was 40lbs lighter then, so I know that I could afford to lose some weight, but I'm not sure that's the only thing that's causing my pain. After taking 13 years off from bowling, I know my mechanics are rusty, but I can't even get in a decent practice session without pain. Can you watch the two videos on the links and please tell me why I'm in so much pain and what I need to do to correct it? Both approaches felt normal to me, it wasn't until after I saw the second one that I looked like I was leaning way too far forward at release, this approach feels like it did when I was younger though…except it was pain-free back then.





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Terry


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Terry, your approach and delivery seem to be normal to me as well.  That being said, age is a terrible thing.  I'm 46, and I get so many aches and pains that I never used to get...especially in my knees and my left shoulder (i'm lefthanded).  I fear I may even have a torn rotator cuff, or if not, it's on it's way to being injured.  If the pain persists, you may want to have a doctor look at it.  Also, thanks for joining the forum!
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I don't see anything out of the ordinary, either. Looks like you're sliding good, so I don't think it could be that you're twisting your knee or anything like that. Have you had a leg injury in the not-to-distant past? I broke my fibia (the small bone next to the big bone in the calf area) of my left leg eleven years ago, and to this day if I bend at the knee and put all my weight on it, it feels like someone is stabbing me with a knife right in my calf muscle. I'm 43, and as Keith said, getting older I think exaggerates these kinds of things. When we were in our 20s, no big deal, our bodies just shrugged it off. Now, not so much.
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Just a thought, and it's probably way off base....does it feel like a cramp pain, or more of a pain associated with, say, a workout or a long run? If it's the latter, it could be that you're just exercising muscles you haven't used in a while. And, if that's the case, maybe a little Bengay or something like that before you bowl might do the trick until your leg builds the muscle back up.

Also, another thought....did you happen to stick at the foul line really bad when you got started back up? If I stuck at the line (and it happened, now and then, esp. at a strange house) and twisted my knee slightly, I would have pain for a while. Something to think about.

Just asking questions to try and narrow it down. I've watched both videos over and over, and I don't see anything wrong with your approach or slide at all, certainly nothing that should be causing you pain. If it isn't any of those things, then I don't know what could be causing it, and you might want to see a doctor...could be something serious causing it.

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While we are on the subject, I take 800mg of Advil prior to bowling as well.
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i'll mention that i was a fitness trainer before i retired...although that's not an important point.  in bowling terms, if a doctor is a 245 bowler, and a physical therapist a 185 bowler, most fitness trainers, myself included, would be 115 bowlers. because of that...my advise really HAS TO BE, see a Doctor.  but i suspect you're not going to do that...so...

...here's my best guess.

i did think, as soon as i first looked at the video, that you're a bit 'forward'.  not bowling-wise, but physiologically-wise.  that is a lot of stress on the muscles of your upper slide leg, that they are totally unused to.  any muscle memory from when you were a bowler is long, long gone (those neuro-pathways dissipated years ago), so this stress on your muscles is, to them, something brand new.
i think you 'pulled' or 'strained' a muscle, and it keeps happening because you repeat the same stresses every time you bowl.

try to give it some extended rest, and when you bowl again...bowl 'easy'...don't go 'all out'.  you need to patiently re-teach the muscles what it is you expect of them.
try to stretch, gently, before you bowl.  lie on your back (or stand...if your balance is really, really good and you feel awkward lieing down in a bowling alley) and pull your left knee to (or toward) your chest.
a little Ben-Gay wouldn't hurt (unless you get it on your 'privates'...then it will most certainly hurt).  i really like this stuff:
http://biofreeze.com/
Advil won't hurt, either...and will likely help.
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as just a bit of explaination...
when you first started bowling you developed a style.  as your style evolved your muscles 'learned' your style, and what was expected of them to safely, without injury, perform the movements needed to accomplish your form.  after such a long layoff your muscles abondoned their knowledge...but when you started bowling again, you asked the muscles to do what they did before, when you were a regular bowler.  they weren't up to the task, and your injury is a result of that.
the fact that your pain does go away, and only comes back when you bowl, leads me to suspect that you have a strain, rather than a more serious tear, which would likely still bother you long after several hours after bowling.

i hope some of this might help in some way...but, please, take it for what it really is...some guys best guess based on way too little information.  a fitness trainer should absolutely not go around giving advise with so little info on which to base his/her conclusions.  please keep that in mind.  professionally speaking, i'm way out of line, and way over my head if i were to represent my guesses as anything other than guesses.
good luck.

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From your description it sounds to me like a strained quadriceps muscle. The location seems right. The quad of your left thigh supports almost the entire weight of your body during the slide, and the g-forces involved in sliding to a stop while maintaining your balance can multiply that, particularly if the approaches are sticky.

The good news is that muscles heal rather quickly so long as you don't continually reinjure them. Since pain reappears after bowling for a while that suggests you are irritating an injury that has not quite healed. To speed the healing process you should try to stimulate blood flow to the affected area. Both ice and heat can be applied to stimulate blood flow. Heat causes capillaries to dilate, allowing more blood through. Cold initially causes capillaries to contract, which is why ice can reduce swelling. But if ice is applied for a longer period of time then the tissues begin demanding more blood, and the capillaries dilate in response. It takes about 15 minutes for this to occur. IF you are trying to keep swelling down, ice for about 10 minutes, then allow the area to warm back up naturally. Then apply ice for another 10 minutes. Repeat. To stimulate blood flow you can alternate heat and cold when swelling is present, or just apply heat if there is no swelling.
Massage might also help.

Complete rest is probably not a good idea. Muscles atrophy quickly, and you are trying to build up that muscle so it can withstand stress without reinjury. To keep it in shape you should simulate the action it must perform, but not at full force. Simply put, if it hurts back off until it no longer hurts. But do not rest it completely. Small injuries become nagging injuries when muscles are allowed to get out of shape and stressful activity is resumed. This becomes a cycle of injury>rest>atrophy>stress>reinjury.
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It might sound small, but you look a bit forward (head in front of the hips), and your trailing leg at release pops up off of the floor, in an attempt to keep your balance.

Imagine your center of balance like a bag of marbles attached to your belt buckle. Keep the bag close to 'the boys' if you know what I mean.

It sounds to me like a bit of a hip flexor stretch. Your timing is late, and you're a bit off balance to your right side.

I like all of the physical advice given thus far. I would add this:
1. Take a week or so off to allow yourself time to heal.
2. Get Mark Baker's book "Game Changer." It is a great read, and will help you visualize where you need to be. It describes common faults and how to fix them.
3. Get yourself a coach that can be 'hands on' while you practice so he/she can direct you to the proper finish position. It is very difficult to make changes to your own game without video or outside eyes.

You're not that far off, so a fix may be pretty quick!

Good luck, sir!

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For some reason my desk top will not let me view most videos.  It is totally up to date and has all the latest updates. 

I did view it on my old lap top. 

In opinion you must have sprained, strained or pulled something.  You are too young and not heavy enough to be having the problems you have.

Take Ibuprofen and stretch and rest.  Then start practicing slowly.


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I'm 47, and I am experiencing a nearly identical injury. I've bowled three different times since returning from a 25-year layoff.

The first day, I bowled 5 games and felt no pain.

A week later, I bowled 4 games, but about halfway through the first game, I felt that charlie-horse pain on my quad.  It bothered me for the first couple of hours after going home, but the pain subsided.

Four days later, I bowled approximately 5 games as I was purchasing a new ball.  The pain was there on the first throw, but I was able to slightly alter my steps to make it less painful.

A couple of days later, I noticed some light bruising, which suggests at least a strained quad. I've decided to lay off bowling for at least 10 days to try and heal this thing before league starts.

Terry, since your original post was over a month ago, I'd be interested in knowing if your leg has healed up.  I sure hope so!

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I also have the exact same pain in my upper thigh on my plant foot Im (right handed). It feels sometimes like someone has druven a knife in my leg. I am trying to get back into competition bowling.
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I am probably older than all these guys.
I probably weigh more than all these guys.
I take 4 pills of ibeprophen not a name brand a CVS brand.
Take them about an hour and a half before bowling.
Doctors are great. 
Without them I would have been dead at 20, 52, 60, 63 and probable some I forgot.  I have at least 20 scars to prove it.
SEE A Dr.

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I had a similar problem with my slide leg. I'm a couple weeks from 50 and can stand to lose more than a few pounds. I traced it down to being dehydrated. I now drink a 32 oz Power Ade Zero before I bowl.  It's made a world of difference.
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