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There are 3 major (15 or more teams)  senior daytime leagues and it looks like they are all leaving Bowlero/Bowlmore  formerly Brunswick, Lone Tree CO.   I like almost all the seniors so I want to go with them. However I like most of the employees and all of the servers at this center. Every body know my name there, they know what I like to drink, a pitcher of Bud light and they always bring me a bucket of ice to keep it cold.  There's a lot of great eye candy here too.
On top of that, if I have learned to bowl, I learned it here. I have not bowled on a league any where else.
This bowling alley does'nt open til 4 on weekdays  except for Mon and Fr when the senior leagues bowl. I guess when we all leave they wont open til 4 except maybe on the weekend.  This place gets busy on school holidays , sometimes and on FR and Sat nites but often it's dead when there are no leagues. 
I know if I get one split in a game I'm probably going to get 3, same way with 10 pin leaves, bad things always seem to come in 3s.
  AMF has only gone BK twice, are they heading for their 3rd BK or do they know what they are doing with their "Devil May Care" attitude with leagues?
  I hope they call our presidents and secretaries and beg us to come back. 
Do you guys think there is any chance of this?   The league coordinator (center employee) told me the  "powers to be" were coming this Wed and I asked if she thought they might change their attitude towards our leagues if they know we are leaving and she said  "I think it's too late,  the 2 biggest leagues already voted to leave". The president told me it was a unanimous vote to leave. For some reason, I did'nt even see the paper so I did'nt vote buy obviously it would'nt have made any difference any way.
Wow, I know it's been sad for some of you guys when you see your centers close but it's  just as sad to see these new owners wrecking my bowling alley.  Brunswick really screwed us when they sold us out too.
Thanks for allowing me to rant. 
   

  

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What you're experiencing with Bowlmor's takeover of AMF/Brunswick centers is pretty typical of how they do business.  We have 5 AMF centers in town (all pretty large centers too), and one of the first things they did was to kick out all of the daytime leagues and change their hours so they open at 4pm.  The other shenanigans they pull are too numerous to mention, but suffice it to say that entire leagues voting unanimously to leave is saying an awful lot. 

Are the leagues moving to a non-Bowlmor center?  I personally find bowling in non-Bowlmor centers far more rewarding, but YMMV.



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Yes, we're moving to a privately owned house with AMF  lanes.  It's also the only center in metro Denver that has a Wed night, 4 game scratch league.
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You're talking about Brunswick XL Lone Tree. To me that is the busiest alley in the state. I don't bowl league there but every time I go it seems to be full. They used to offer $1.29 games starting at 8am Sundays but stopped that about 9 months ago because only league bowlers came. But honestly with laser tag, big arcade, pool tables, etc this center doesn't need league bowlers. They make more then enough money with walk-ins. 
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Is it true that they don't allow pots in league bowling in Co.  or is that just in Colorado Springs?  Hard to believe that you can smoke the good stuff but can't have a High Game pot.
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Brunswick didn't screw you.  Brunswick was sold to Bowlmor-AMF a couple years ago.  Bowlmor-AMF screwed you.

Bowlmor-AMF runs its business differently than Brunswick did when Brunswick still owned and operated bowling centers.  Maybe because Bowlmor-AMF, which used to be Bowlmor until Bowlmor acquired all the AMF centers and became Bowlmor-AMF, also took on the debt of AMF in the acquisition.  AMF had TWICE declared bankruptcy in the 10 years prior to Bowlmor acquiring it, so the company took on a lot of centers that were financial dead weight.  Some have since closed and the properties sold (to new owners that were contractually obligated NOT to run them as bowling centers, as Bowlmor-AMF was smart enough to prevent new owners from taking over and competing against them).  The surviving centers were (or are) being divided up into centers that fit into one of Bowlmor-AMF's different business models:  the upscale, boutique bowling center that caters mostly to corporate outings and large bookings as well as high end open play, and then there are their league centers.  How Bowlmor-AMF decides which centers will best fit into which business model, one assumes, is based on (a.) the amount of league business they have there, and (b.) location, location, location.

Sounds like your center is either running off the league bowlers because they intend on converting the center to its Bowlmor-style of upscale bowling center, or your league doesn't like the changes brought on by Bowlmor-AMF taking over the center and has decided to leave despite the center's insistence that they intend to remain a league center.  It happens.

My home Brunswick center, like all the others, was taken over in the Bowlmor-AMF acquisition of Brunswick and has remained a league center.  Some of their policies have changed (they're more stingy about giving out free games to their league bowlers), but they have made some accommodation to keep their league bowlers happy.  It's been my observation that local management has more leeway in shaping some of those policy decisions than one might have expected given Bowlmor-AMF's apparent "top down" management culture.  For example, I know for a fact that league lineage fees vary from center to center in our market (Bowlmor-AMF now owns a total of eleven centers in the metro Atlanta area, and I know that our center charges more for lineage to their leagues than do other BAMF centers in the Atlanta market because it became a huge bone of contention in this year's league meetings at the start of the bowling year).

Look, the fact is, AMF was run by idiots and was forced to declare bankruptcy twice in ten years.  When Bowlmor acquired it for pennies on the dollar, they took over a very sick company and had to make changes to avoid a third bankruptcy.  Then when Brunswick announced it was selling its retail bowling center operation, Bowlmor-AMF saw that as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to vastly increase the size of its company footprint and leveraged the money to do the deal with Brunswick.  By taking on that added debt in a hurried deal, it put more pressure on Bowlmor-AMF to operate smartly.  The Brunswick centers were in far better financial shape than many of the AMF centers they acquired a couple of years earlier.  But Bowlmor expanded with two huge acquisitions in an almost bang-bang fashion over just a few short years.  It makes sense that they'd quickly impose some strict operating guidelines to prevent a repeat of what happened to AMF in the ten years prior to it being absorbed into the Bowlmor company.

I would love to think that Bowlmor-AMF would have seen how Brunswick ran their company and adopted many of Brunswick ways.  But of course that's not how corporate America works.  Bowlmor brought its corporate culture to AMF and then the expanded Bowlmor-AMF brought its corporate culture to the Brunswick houses in that big acquisition.  The big company gets to impose its culture on the smaller company that it acquires.  That's how it works, and everyone knows it.

Personally, I've been pleased with the way things have worked out so far at our Brunswick home center.  I haven't liked all the changes, but on balance, it's been fine.  And to date, I don't think they've lost any leagues.  But if I had to move to another bowling center, I'd have enough options that are close enough that I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

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You're talking about Brunswick XL Lone Tree. To me that is the busiest alley in the state. I don't bowl league there but every time I go it seems to be full. They used to offer $1.29 games starting at 8am Sundays but stopped that about 9 months ago because only league bowlers came. But honestly with laser tag, big arcade, pool tables, etc this center doesn't need league bowlers. They make more then enough money with walk-ins. 


Heck they used to have $.99  games every day til 11AM.  That ended when AMF bought them.  I'm sure they are the busiest center in CO and was told they were in top 10 in the country for what  (games or net or gross profits) I'm not sure. 
But I hope they lose so much money with all the leagues leaving , they beg us to come back.  
  They are definitly busy some times  and you might have a wait for a lane, but at $8.79 a game and $8 shoe rental, on Fr & Sat nite prime time, a lot of the kids make a game of bowling last an hour or 2 while they play laser tag or make out with their girlfriends.

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I do bowl on a non senior league there too, "Friday Nite Fun".  They may want that league to stay because the bowling fees alone are more than $4 a game and they/ we drink and eat alot where the seniors don't spend much money.

The manager told our president that the seniors are harder on the lanes than the night leagues. She does'nt  bowl so I wonder how she know that.

Randy, IMO , Brunswick screwed all of us and the industry when they sold an  almost monopoly to a  company  with a reputation like AMF.  Sure, the Brunswick center parking lot was packed while the AMF house 5 miles down the street , you could'nt tell if they were open by the number of cars in the parking lot.
It's too bad Brunswick did'nt buy out  AMF .

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How could seniors be harder on lanes?
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that  's why I said it, she does'nt know any thing about bowling.  
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We had a worker here didn't know where the reset button was.
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