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If there is s hole in the ball, it must be used for delivery every time


So if I use two fingers and my thumb like I always have, but am old and arthritic, which I am, and I bump or sprain one of my fingers and can't bear the pressure of using it temporarily, I have to use it anyway, or have new equipment drilled for the 2-3 weeks it takes to heal properly?  I'd like to see them enforce that one.

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rules are rules. If you don't follow one
why should others follow rules they
don't agree with.
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rules are rules. If you don't follow one
why should others follow rules they
don't agree with.


That's why I bowl in a non sanctioned league.  People there use common sense as the rule of the day, not some crazy stuff dreamed up by folks so far removed from daily life they have no clue.

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So if I use two fingers and my thumb like I always have, but am old and arthritic, which I am, and I bump or sprain one of my fingers and can't bear the pressure of using it temporarily, I have to use it anyway, or have new equipment drilled for the 2-3 weeks it takes to heal properly?  I'd like to see them enforce that one.


There has to be some leeway to this.  As a league secretary, if somebody like yourself came up to me before bowling and said that you had a sprained finger and would be bowling with only one finger that week, that would be good enough for me to allow it.  If, however, you said you had a sprained thumb and then proceeded to bowl two-handed, fingers only, and throw big scores, I'd call you out on it.   
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There has to be some leeway to this.  As a league secretary, if somebody like yourself came up to me before bowling and said that you had a sprained finger and would be bowling with only one finger that week, that would be good enough for me to allow it.  If, however, you said you had a sprained thumb and then proceeded to bowl two-handed, fingers only, and throw big scores, I'd call you out on it.   


If I tried bowling with two hands you'd be carrying me out, not calling me out. LOL

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Where does it say two handers can't have a thumb hole in the ball?


It doesn't, The rules just say that you can't have a weighthole after 7/31/2020 and a "unused" thumbhole is considered a weighthole so if you have a thumbhole you have too use it.



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So if I use two fingers and my thumb like I always have, but am old and arthritic, which I am, and I bump or sprain one of my fingers and can't bear the pressure of using it temporarily, I have to use it anyway, or have new equipment drilled for the 2-3 weeks it takes to heal properly?  I'd like to see them enforce that one.


No, For the current time USBC Rules state you don't have use all the fingerholes. So if you can't use one because of that you don't have too.

USBC Rulebook
Chapter 8: Equipment Specifications: 7. Drilling Requirements.

Bowling balls can meet either item a or item b between 8/1/2018
 and 7/31/2020. Starting 8/1/2020, all balls used in USBC certified competition must meet the
 requirements in item b.
 a. Effective through 7/31/2020:
 1) Holes.
 a) Holes or indentations for gripping purposes shall not exceed five and shall be limited to one
 for each finger and one for the thumb, all for the same hand. The player is not required to
 use all finger holes in any specific delivery, but they must be able to demonstrate, with the
 same hand, that each gripping hole can be simultaneously used for gripping purposes. Any
 thumb hole that is not used for gripping purposes during the delivery would be classified as
 a balance hole.
 b) One hole for balance purposes, not to exceed 1¼-inch in diameter is permitted. (Slugs and
 bowling tape will be allowed in balance holes; however, interchangeable devices are not
 allowed).
 i) Any hole that cannot be reasonably shown to be used with a single hand is classified as a
 balance hole.
 ii) Balance holes may not intersect gripping holes.
 c) One vent hole for each finger and/or thumb hole, not to exceed 1/4 inch in diameter is
 permitted.
 d) One mill hole for inspection purposes not to exceed 5 ⁄8 inch in diameter and 1⁄8 inch in
 depth is permitted.



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Just for reference:

The Effect of Plugging Your Balance Hole on a Symmetrical Ball



Storm | New USBC Rules - Balance Holes and Performance


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So basically these two videos support my contention that going with and without a balance hole doesn't mean diddly squat to the vast majority of bowlers today.  It is a rule which is only applicable to high average bowlers, pros and tournament bowlers, and puts an unnecessary burden on the average bowler.  I predict that more casual leagues will go to unsanctioned status in part because of these punitive rule changes, and the ridiculous sanction fee. 
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say this or that USBC rule change will cause more leagues not to certify, I would be very rich. I've yet to find a league that stopped certifying that has certified for years over a USBC rule change.
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say this or that USBC rule change will cause more leagues not to certify, I would be very rich. I've yet to find a league that stopped certifying that has certified for years over a USBC rule change.


I bowl in two that decertified due to the USBC.  And I know of others as well.

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There’s no reason to certify in my case, I can’t win any national awards and the local association gives out ink pens. Just as soon keep my $22

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If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say this or that USBC rule change will cause more leagues not to certify, I would be very rich. I've yet to find a league that stopped certifying that has certified for years over a USBC rule change.


The adult-child league my son and I bowled in for 8 years didn't certify the last year we bowled in it, and my men's league (which my son now bowls in) has been teetering on the edge of not certifying for a few years now.  Won't take much to push us over the edge at this point.


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People need to remember: It's not about you, it's about the others.

So the high average bowlers got their 300 ring. They got their 800 ring. They don't want anymore trinket awards from their local association. They don't see any value.

What about Joe and Jane Newbie. They just might throw their first 300 or 800 series. If the selfish bowlers don't certify, they deny these bowlers their proper USBC recognition. I can GUARANTEE that the bowlers who don't want to certify were very excited when they threw their FIRST 300 and 800 series and were able to get their first ring. Now these same bowlers want to deny an up and coming bowler the same enjoyment. Plus the Newbie's probably would like to get the trinkets for their first accomplishments in bowling. For a Newbie, it IS motivation to get better.

You won't see me vote to not certify and deny a bowler their right to recognition for their first 300 and/or 800. No way.

It's not about you, it's about the others. Don't be selfish over a few dollars you pay once a year.


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If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say this or that USBC rule change will cause more leagues not to certify, I would be very rich. I've yet to find a league that stopped certifying that has certified for years over a USBC rule change.
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I don’t think leagues are leaving because of rules. I believe leagues are leaving because the USBC stopped working for the bowler and working more toward profit. They do nothing for the bowler anymore. They developed a House shot to help raise averages and scores. And then penalized the bowler by cutting way back on awards. I personally don’t wear my rings or anything else they gave us, but they took away most of the patches and awards for the Junior bowlers. That upset me. And I believe the 300 is still an award that should be given out, no matter how many you shoot. If they don’t like it, then maybe they should set standards for the shot and check them, like they used to do.
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