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jitter77

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I avg 22o in my league.  I am a low rev bowler with medium ball speed.  I typically play a down and in shot.  I am going to a tournament this weekend with what seems to be a very difficult oil pattern.  I can not seem to find it on the kegel site.  This seems to be the closest I can find (i will post actual pattern below).  

http://www.kegel.net/V3/PatternLibraryPatternGraph.aspx?ID=824&VIEW=COM

The pattern I will be bowling on has 30.85 volume while the ABT#5 only has 28.3.  Also the pattern i will be bowling on covers 617 boards vs 566 for ABT#5.  

Currently I am throwing a Track 706A (factory) and a Track 505c2 (2000 grit).  I also have a Hammer no Mercy Beat'n, but it does not fit me well anymore.  I know the pattern is short, but is either one of my balls going to be aggressive enough for this pattern.  My best guess is that I need to play straight down the 3-5 board.

Here is a fuzzy pic of the actual pattern.  Any help would be appreciated.

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I cannot make any equipment recommendations since I'm not familiar with your game or Track equipment. The pattern doesn't actually look that difficult for a tournament condition. Bowlers who are comfortable playing close to the gutter will probably love it. One hint- lane machines generally fail to oil the last board, and oiling patterns depend on having enough oil on the 2 board to hide that fact. Judging from your photo it looks like this pattern puts only one load of oil from 2-to-2, and two loads from 3-to-3. There could be lots of friction at the edge of the lane if you are able to use it. Good luck.
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At over 30 mils of oil, that pattern will play longer than it is. You're going to want to start with something strong and smooth from outside. There's enough shape to start with, and with as much oil as there is in the front, you can create even more with an aggressive ball. I think the pattern might start pretty tight, but if you play it right, it looks like it could open up very nicely.
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If there are only 2 loads 2 to 2, this shot shot play very good out around 4 or 5 board with a tame solid ( something smooth with a decent midlane ). 
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Since this has the attention of knowledgible people tell me about this stuff.  Is it good bad or avg.
Prodigy conditioner and Defense-C.  Thank you.  Long lasting or too thin?

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Type of oil doesn't make too much difference on this pattern except for carrydown, which probably becomes an issue due to high volume.  However, having only two loads 2 to 2 tells me you can keep moving out as the carrydown sets up.  I am bowling on the Los Angeles pattern for a couple of weeks and it is similar to the pattern you have displayed.  A bit lower volume, and a foot shorter, but not that much different.  I hit this pattern very well ( 888 for 4 ) with my IQ tour solid. Starting around 5 board, and eventually moving out to 4 board as carrydown set up. 
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How would it hold up on the house shots?  Carry down or break down?  Compare it to other types.
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I never see carry down that affects strike balls unless some bowlers are throwing plastic or urethane at their strikes in roughly the same part of the lane as I'm playing for strikes.  Which is to say virtually never.

Reactive resin balls don't really move the oil around that much.  They mostly just pick it up and soak it up like a sponge.  Plastic and urethane, on the other hand, do tend to displace the oil and pick up a little bit, but certainly don't soak anything up.

You wanna see carry down?  Go bowl open play sometime after the lanes have been bowled on all day by kids throwing house balls.  And good luck with that.

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Good point.  With todays high volumes, plastic can make lanes slicker at night with play all day Saturday.   Carrydown is a very minor factor with resin balls, especially with the trend to longer buffs over 42 feet. 
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Looks like a higher volume house shot. Put some surface on one of your balls in case the shot plays a little slick. Depending on the number of games and quality of bowlers, the shot could open up. Play along the edge of the slope, chase the oil, and you should be fine.
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I did not do very well shot a 540 something.  The outside line was not working for me and I finally figured something out for the last game, but it was too late.  I ended up moving left and playing more in the middle.  One thing I didnt understand is if I stayed more in the middle I had a lot of snap on the ball.  If I moved right and played outside second arrow I was sliding.  Oh well definitely need more practice on those shots.  Its hard bowling on them once a year and expect to do good.  Hopefully I can get in a sport league or PBA experience league.  
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Did you see anyone who was bowling well? Where were they playing?

Just because the "pattern" was announced that does not mean it was the same pattern that the machine applied. A mistake could have been made, or the machine may have had maintenance issues that prevented it from properly applying the pattern. And, of course, the bowlers start changing the pattern as they bowl on it. Individual (singles) tournaments usually don't develop a shot the same way a team bowling on a pair for three games will. In any case, you have to play your own ball reaction, and if you couldn't get the ball up to the pocket from outside then you couldn't play there.

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Shorter patterns always seem drier when you move inside.  It is all about break point.  The shorter the pattern, the further out the break point must be.  When you are playing outside, you don't have to go away from the pocket as much to get to a break point out around 4 or 5 board.  When you move in, your break point must also move in, and a strong move off a deeper break point will keep forcing you deeper with your feet, until you end up playing a ton of out angle. 
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I have found that I need to play deeper on PBA Experience league patterns because too many youngsters are still trying to hook the ball and slop up the track or slope making the condition play tough (except cheetah pattern where 2nd board is king). Bob is correct, break point is everything. Many tough conditions require speed and axis rotation adjustments -- not lateral moves. Nevertheless, you are at the mercy of your competitors and if they are not playing the condition properly you are in trouble.
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