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beavertwp

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Starting April 1, they are pushing back the later (5pm and 830pm) squad times because of slow bowling.

From what I read, Pete Weber is/was part of the problem. His pair was over 1.5 games behind everyone else in s/d. Sounds like he needed 2-3 lane courtesy.

Wish they would just enforce the rules on slow bowling. Only problem is, one team might be punished when it's the other team's fault for a slow pace.
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I have read about this whole debate, and scoring is extremely down. When everybody is throwing 2 shots every frame, it takes a lot more time.
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I think the biggest problem is that bowlers a whiny bunch. This a tournament you wait all year to bowl, you travel cross-country to get to, you take a week off work, you pay hundreds of dollars to bowl in...and you're going to whine that your squad started 20 minutes late? Give me a break. Relax and enjoy your vacation. But these are bowlers. They can't relax. 5 minutes late and bowlers are calling for the heads of the USBC leadership.

I'd just love to see any of these whiners react if they were the ones needing a double in the 10th for 800 on the biggest stage on bowling, only to be interrupted by a lane monitor for slow bowling. Bet that would be pretty. 

Don't want to bowl late? Don't sign up for the late squad. 
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20 minutes is one thing, 1 to 1.5 hrs or more is another, especially if you're bowling the late shift.

The slow bowlers might be the loudest about starting late.
Also, I doubt a lane monitor will say something in the 10th frame of the last game of the set. Something should be said after a game and a half.
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I began bowling the Nationals in 1980. For many years the doubles/singles squads ran all morning and afternoon, followed by two team squads in the evening. I remember team squads literally always running late, and I mean accumulated delays that often caused the second team squad to begin more than an hour behind schedule. We used to joke about the midnight team squad, which was far closer to the truth than the scheduled squad time.

After years of blaming the bowlers and urging them to speed things up the tournament adjusted their procedures and also scheduled a bit more time for the completion of each squad. You see, under the old procedures no squad could march out until the last bowlers on the preceding squad were finished. That ensured the tournament was locked in to the pace of the slowest bowlers on every squad. After the change they allowed the next squad to come out even as the last bowlers were finishing up. And even allowed the next squad to begin around those slowpokes if they were running too far behind. That kept things moving during the day and eliminated many of the delays.

Little or nothing was said about sources of delays that couldn't be blamed on the bowlers. Mechanical difficulties or scorer breakdowns were ignored, but often had an impact on the pace of play. The worst was Huntsville in 1997, where we began after 1 AM and suffered through numerous mechanical delays, finishing up well after 4 AM. These were not major breakdowns, just an annoying number of common machine stops (ball returns, pins out of range, etc.) which an obviously inexperienced and overwhelmed crew could not contend with. Tournament officials are understandably reluctant to criticize the companies which are connected to the tournament, and I read nothing critical regarding the services of that company while the tournament proceeded, or after. I will note that 1997 is the one year which Brunswick or AMF was not involved with the installation.

The USBC in recent years has done a wonderful job of keeping the squads close to on time. Why, suddenly, are squads running longer? Pete Weber aside, before I am willing to believe it is entirely the bowlers fault I think back to all those years I bowled and experienced numerous other issues which slowed things down. I wonder if there is something about the new venue which is causing this issue. The USBC is not going to criticize the host. Another possibility is the introduction of the third division allowing more teams which are throwing many more 2-shot frames, or inexperienced with the tournament and the expected pace of play. 

I don't bowl the tournament until June, so maybe things will get sorted out by then. But I suspect that if the USBC is blaming the bowlers then it is something they don't know how, or are unable to fix.
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The more I read about the USBC National tournament, the less desire I have to bowl in it next year when it comes to my neck of the woods...

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themrfreeze-

While I am critical of some of the things that have occurred over the years I love this tournament. I hope to remain healthy and competitive enough to get into the 50-year club (this year will be my 37th tournament).  

What I was hoping to provide is some perspective. Nobody can run such a huge event, serving tens of thousands of bowlers, and get everything right all the time. There are always going to be new problems that need solving, and old problems that they haven't found an answer for. I don't trust the tournament to be honest if it means saying something critical about the tournament itself or those involved with running it. And "slow bowling" is a catchall for anything that causes squads to be late. I go to tournaments with serious bowlers and I know we are slower than most of the competitors. There are reminders during this tournament if you are taking too long. The score screen gives you a warning to indicate you are behind, and that remains until your pair gets back on pace. It isn't a new issue. I do suspect there is something new this year, something that is slowing things down even more.
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The more I read about the USBC National tournament, the less desire I have to bowl in it next year when it comes to my neck of the woods...



You absolutely need to. Its the best run tournament in the country. That it happens to be the biggest is a bonus. The staff is courteous, helpful, and well trained. The venues are magnificent. The history and tradition, the historic displays, the announcements of champions and celebrities, the march down center aisle...all will do something to make you feel a part of something much bigger than you imagined.

There's a reason people plan their entire year around the tournament for decades on end. And you'll find there aren't too many people who've only bowled in one Open Championship. Its an awesome experience, whether your cash or not. 

That anyone finds anything to whine about is a surprise to me. And that's what all this slow bowling nonsense was. Whining. Like I said before, if you don't want to be up later, register for an earlier squad. We all have plenty of time to prepare.
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