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Some leagues make you take off 10 pins if your regular
misses but no penalty for a vacancy. How fair is that

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Unless nearly everyone in your league averages well over 210, a 210 vacancy score is way too high.  When a vacancy score is similar to the highest averages in a league, teams have no incentive to fill open roster spots.                              

The vacancy score should be about the average of the bottom third or bottom quarter of the league -- enough to give teams a fair chance to win some games, but not so high as to give a shorthanded team a definite advantage on those nights with tougher scoring conditions.

 
 


I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, since I don't drive much at night now, the only daytime leagues are Senior leagues with similar rules.  I just bowl to satisfy myself and accept that the other teams have an unfair advantage.

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I was on a team that had only four bowlers during the last few weeks of the season.  We had four other bowlers that the house got for us that just quit coming to bowling at various times during the season.  In fact during the first two 'thirds' we only had five bowlers on two nights.  The last fifth bowler we had stopped coming at the second to last night on the last third because it was 'to nice outside to bowl'.  This was a team that had to quit because we only had two bowlers and an odd number of teams.  But the house which runs the league, called us back because they had new bowlers for our team.

We used the vacant rule from the ABC with the 125 average.  Our league bowls in thirds and my team won the last third (of which we only had five bowlers for half of the last 'third').  We won the first roll off on game three in the last frame by only four pins (we have a 90% handicap rule).  The team we were bowling complained after the fact that we cheated.  Their anchor needed two strikes to win, got the first one, missed the second one, and walked off without throwing the last ball. 

At the league meeting for the next this came up and even though I showed the rules, the league voted to have a rule that if a team doesn't have enough bowlers, they must use a name and an average minus 10.  When I stated that had problems getting and keeping bowlers, the response was "that's your problem and not the leagues".  We got one bowler that stayed with us, but the others were young people that had no sense of responsibility and easily quit.  We lost two of our regular bowlers to work and health problems and even though we now have six bowlers, I doubt we will return next year because of rampant sandbagging going on in the league.

This kind of problems are what is killing leagues and destroying bowling.
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SkykingLQ said, "When I stated that had problems getting and keeping bowlers, the response was "that's your problem and not the leagues". 

That right there is the problem.  If the league did not allow vacancies, then it wouldn't be an issue.  In our daytime Senior league they not only allow vacancies, but also allow teams to field a one person roster if the others don't care to show up.  That means you are looking at 210 for the vacancies, and 220 for the absent bowlers, since there is no blind penalty.  Sucks big time.

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