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Can you add that bylaw in legally? I know there's many USBC rules that you cannot change. If so that is very interesting. I think I only have two balls left with balance holes. One I still use quite a bit and one that just sits in the closet. 
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No, you cannot make a bylaw that conflicts with a USBC bylaw. Your two USBC officials are failing to perform their duty. Of course, we see this happening all the time, too.
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Dan I am not saying I want those things.  The USBC claims they got rid of most of their awards because of cost.  I just wonder if the fact that they are throwing more and more to things other than the ones who pay to be represented.  The LEAGUE BOWLERS who pay $25 dollars each every year and get what?  A few discounts, some messily bonding but nothing the league bowler really sees.
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Dan I am not saying I want those things.  The USBC claims they got rid of most of their awards because of cost.  I just wonder if the fact that they are throwing more and more to things other than the ones who pay to be represented.  The LEAGUE BOWLERS who pay $25 dollars each every year and get what?  A few discounts, some messily bonding but nothing the league bowler really sees.


That bonding is a joke.  Keith's league lost $20K last year when the owner of Country Lanes spent the money and then committed suicide, and the USBC refused to replace the cash despite being a "bonded" league.

The USBC foisted the responsibility for merit score awards onto the local associations...even a non-first 300/800 award comes from the local association now.    As such, unless you throw your first 300/800, a sanctioned league bowler receives nothing tangible from the national organization.

Honestly, I hear more and more proprietors and league members complain about how useless the USBC has become.  The adult-child league I bowled in with my son last season didn't even bother to sanction last season, and the proprietor of the center has been in the business since forever.  Honestly, I can easily see the USBC folding and the responsibility for "sanctioning" leagues falling to the BPAA...they're the ones that have been calling the shots for the last 30 years anyway.


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No, you cannot make a bylaw that conflicts with a USBC bylaw. Your two USBC officials are failing to perform their duty. Of course, we see this happening all the time, too.


We'll see what happens...the bylaw passed and at least one local USBC official knows it exists.  If they choose to get on our case about it, we'll deal with it then.


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I'm not saying I disagree with you Fordman, just telling folks there are awards available for those who really want them.  The USBC complained about the cost of giving yearly rings, well whose fault is that?  I'll tell you, it's theirs.  They are folks that let the scoring get way out of hand and did nothing to stop it
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The person who get's on your case about it won't be the USBC at first, it will be the bowler or team that lost something (jackpot, high game, division or league championship, etc.) using legal balls to someone or some team that was using illegal balls. Then they will report your league and then the USBC will get involved. We all know these kind of people exist.
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The person who get's on your case about it won't be the USBC at first, it will be the bowler or team that lost something (jackpot, high game, division or league championship, etc.) using legal balls to someone or some team that was using illegal balls. Then they will report your league and then the USBC will get involved. We all know these kind of people exist.


Yes, yes, yes. 
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The person who get's on your case about it won't be the USBC at first, it will be the bowler or team that lost something (jackpot, high game, division or league championship, etc.) using legal balls to someone or some team that was using illegal balls. Then they will report your league and then the USBC will get involved. We all know these kind of people exist.


Maybe they do in your world, but not in our tiny league.  We've all known each other for years and we're there only to have fun.  Nobody in the league gives a crap about the USBC to begin with...the only reason we're still sanctioned is because there's a mentally handicapped guy in our league who bowls in tournaments with his mom/sister and we didn't want to screw with his need to sanction through our league.  Seriously.

The idea that anybody in our league would complain to the USBC about somebody using a 30 year old bowling ball with a balance hole is ludicrous...everybody voted in favor of the bylaw to begin with.


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