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what's your take on the dual lane pattern the PBA
uses in their step ladder finals. I don't care for it and
I wonder if it's the whole tourney are just the finals

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I'm rather ambivalent about it to be honest, but anything that creates more of a challenge for the pros is a good thing IMHO.  I'd love for a finals to be bowled on a "mystery pattern" and the pros have 10 minutes of televised practice to figure out the shot like us regular league schlubs.  Knowing in advance what the pattern is going to be and giving them an hour to set themselves up a shot seems like cheating.

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There is really no one oil pattern that gives adequate defense against the pros today. High rev players with modern balls create major transitions in any pattern very rapidly.
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One of the best stories that I ever heard about the "shot" was related to the 1992 Showboat TV finals. The story that I heard was that Bob Vespi was told to "keep an open mind" about the shot for the tv show - and that was from Len Nicholson "the Phantom" lain maintenance man.


The show was brutal, but forced every player to make shots. I loved it.

Chris, to your point, it was a mystery --- and continued to be a mystery for the whole show.

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If I owned the PBA Tour, there patterns would not have names and the pattern for each tournament would be a mystery. The PBA makes too much of an issue over oil patterns and not enough of an issue over the players. Did the player bowl great or did he just match up to the pattern.

Make the patterns a minimalist or non-existent topic. The tour then becomes solely about the players and that's they way it should be.

I would maybe go so far as to say we will have one 40 foot 2 to 1 pattern used at all tournaments for example. Here it is. Sometimes the pattern will be high scoring and sometimes it will not. Depends on the house. Sometimes the lefty's will reign and sometimes the right will reign. With one single pattern, the pro's know what to practice for and can practice on the pattern at numerous centers to see what changes it could provide.


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If I owned the PBA Tour, there patterns would not have names and the pattern for each tournament would be a mystery. The PBA makes too much of an issue over oil patterns and not enough of an issue over the players. Did the player bowl great or did he just match up to the pattern.


I have no doubt that the system they have in place today exists partially to help make the bowling equipment look good.  The various brands pay a lot of money to the PBA for their equipment to be "approved" for PBA use and the last thing they want is for pro bowlers wearing their shirts and throwing their equipment to toss 125 games on TV.  Ergo, known patterns and a ton of time for the pros to set up a shot before the TV lights come on.


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If you ran the golf tour, would you with hold the pin placements
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If you ran the golf tour, would you with hold the pin placements

I would put the pins in the middle of every green ! Let the best players shine !
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The PBA is doing its best to stay alive. Let’s see how the manufacturers hold up with all the production going to Mexico. I think watching Tommy Jones shoot a 300 on 2 different patterns with 2 totally different balls was very impressive. But the statement made above about them using the new stuff is deceiving. Jones and others threw urethane on the short pattern. Jones threw Hybrid on the longer. Just try to keep your concentration for that amount of time on that setup ! They are truly talented people that I cannot compare with !
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I like the dual patterns on the PBA tv finals, just as long as the scores stay low.  If I had it my way, they would've never come out with these stupid animal patterns or any of these shots. I know they were only trying to be creative but, they need to go back to the way they did it in the 70s/80s. They put a graph out there of how long the oil went and you had to think for yourself, YOU EITHER SANK OR YOU SWAM!  They need to do away with ball reps to. THAT'S A BUNCH OF BS! You've been bowling for so many years, so you should know how to adjust to whatever shot or obstacle that is out there on the lanes.
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The finals should be on the same shot
you bowled on all week


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Dare I respect people's opinions on certain matters. I bowled on the PBA Western Regional tour for 10 years, I don't know if you were ever a PBA member like I was or won scratch tournaments like I and certain other bowlers did in the 70s/80. Here's the deal, bowling is a sport just like any other. Sports were meant to be challenging. Putting out a different shot especially a tough one other than the one that was out there all week, keeps the bowlers on their toes and keeps them away from this "dead-wall house shot bs"! It's not really just my opinion, IT'S THE TRUTH! Our sport has suffered because of this reactive resin garbage and some of these league bowlers nowadays who never bowled or performed well in the 70s/80s like some us did, who are arrogant/disrespectful towards other bowlers just because they average 220-230 in league. Who really da#* cares especially since they've hardly ever bowled scratch tournaments. I know what real bowling is, because I've lived it, ate it, breathed it and made a decent amount of money at it at the part-time amateur level.
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