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I know this had been talked about but there are rumblings in my Thursday League about not sanctioning.  If they vote to not sanction I'm not sure if I'll bowl in it or not.  I would like some cogent arguments to present at the meeting to sway the vote.

Many bowlers don't think the USBC does anything for them any more.  They see their sanction fees snapped up and they get no rewards for multiple honor scores, no lane inspections, and the ball companies just make anything they want now.  I personally was in a league where the secretary stole the money and the USBC didn't get any of the money back in my pocket.  As far as averages go this house is a lower average house filled with established bowlers and they use house averages.

I'd be grateful for any responses.  My league meeting is Thursday 9/7
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The main thing for me it keeps the Secretary honest. I bowled in one league not certified
and there was questions where the money went. Be non certified she wasn't required
to give out a financial statement. Another thing is if a bowler is lucky enough to shoot his
first 300 or 800 you get a ring. While not much you can update it to a nice one

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The President and the bowlers keep the Secretary/Treasurer honest. The USBC guarantees your prize money assuming all your i's are dotted and t's crossed. I may not agree with a lot of what they do, but that in itself is worth the $25. Especially to the guys in good money leagues. 
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At least in terms related to our Thursday men's league at Parkview, we are sanctioning the league this year but only because there are a few bowlers in the league who want to bowl in tournaments and need sanctioning, but this is the only league they bowl in.  Otherwise, I don't think we'd bother with it anymore.  It's a small league, the house is tough, and the awards they give out for merit or honor scores don't come close to representing the accomplishment the score represents.  We did decide at the end of last season to not bother with submitting for merit score awards...the ball-point pen or cheap cork coaster is an insult and not worth the effort it takes on my part to submit the scores.

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Ok lets start with getting Certified not Sanctioned.  It has been well over 10 years now.
I usually certify about 170 bowlers every year.
Now the awards from USBC are for 300 games and 800 series.
If you have earned any of these you are no longer going to get one without paying for it yourself.
Your local assn. gives out the pins and trinkets.
Your local assn. collects the year end averages and compiles a list to send to USBC.
It is electronic.  Minimal work for USBC.
The USBC is the one who set standards for lanes, pins and balls.
I only wish more was done for the bill payers.  (the league bowler)
Many will disagree but WPBA, PBA and Team USA shouldn't be getting Certification money.
Bowling proprietors and ball companies should be their sponsors. 

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What a wonderful selfish attitude these bowlers have. They need to remember: It's not about you, it's about the others. Most likely, these are the high average bowlers.

So these high average bowlers got their 300 ring. They got their 800 ring, They don't want anymore trinket awards from their local association. They don't see any value. Just selfish.

What about Joe and Jane Newbie. They just might throw their first 300 or 800 series. If your selfish bowlers don't certify, they deny these bowlers their proper USBC recognition. I can GUARANTEE that these bowlers who don't want to certify were very excited when they threw their FIRST 300 and 800 series and were able to get their first ring. Now these same bowlers want to deny an up and coming bowler the same enjoyment. Plus the Newbie's probably would like to get the trinkets for their first accomplishments in bowling. For a Newbie, it IS motivation to get better.

You won't see me vote to not certify and deny a bowler their right to recognition for their first 300 and/or 800. No way.

It's not about you, it's about the others.


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What a wonderful selfish attitude these bowlers have. They need to remember: It's not about you, it's about the others. Most likely, these are the high average bowlers.



No, it's about the league as a whole.  Not just "me", and not "the others", it's about "us".  Everybody in the league thinks the USBC trinkets are crap and not worth the effort.  Most people just toss them in the garbage.  As a league we voted on the trinkets and decided to not bother with them this year.

As for the 300 ring or the 800 crystal award, I can see where a bowler of modest skill might like to receive those, but honor scores at my hall are few and far between.  Nobody has ever thrown an 800 there in the 77 years it's been open, and there's maybe one 300 there every few years.  This isn't 300 Bowl or Plaza Lanes or Country Lanes where half a dozen honor scores are thrown each week in a league.  The chances of a 160 avg bowler tossing a 300 at Parkview are *slim*, and if it should happen and we weren't sanctioned, we would certainly buy them an award commensurate with the amazing feat they'd have accomplished. 

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I can GUARANTEE that these bowlers who don't want to certify were very excited when they threw their FIRST 300 and 800 series and were able to get their first ring.


Personally, my first 300 was thrown in a non-sanctioned summer league.  The manager of the center got me a really nice personalized plaque noting my accomplishment...I value it more than the pot metal 300 ring I got from the USBC for my second 300, which was sanctioned.   Now I get a $1.50 glass with "USBC 300 Game" printed on it.  [rolleyes]


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AMF you echoed my exact words when USBC 1st changed the rules. 
As to freeze most of us bowl in a modern bowling center not a 6 lane mausoleum. (thanks spell check)
If you don't have any chance to win anything don't waste your money.
I use my ink pen I won every day and every week. 
Also use my deck of cards.  You guys don't play cards?  Get a strike get a card.
We get the option of buying an upgrade for $15 you get a Crystal award for 300,800 or 11 in a row.
They make a great paper weight for a taxman's desk.  Don't let those 1040's blow away. [biggrin]

The trinkets are a large faced watch
Ink pen
Lapel Pin
Bowling towel
Lighted keychain
Deck of cards


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AMF you hit the nail right on the head..I bowled in a non certified league 3 out of the last 4 years
and in those little leagues 3 bowlers had their first 300 and one had his first 800. Funny all but one
had cards in other leagues.

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Counts the same as bowling them in practice. 
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As to freeze most of us bowl in a modern bowling center not a 6 lane mausoleum. (thanks spell check)

It's an 8-lane mausoleum...get your facts straight you old codger.  [wink]

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Also use my deck of cards.  You guys don't play cards?  Get a strike get a card.

Oh, we play a similar game (one card per mark) but have a special deck of cards for that.  Keith knows what I'm talking about.  [biggrin]

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The trinkets are a large faced watch
Ink pen
Lapel Pin
Bowling towel
Lighted keychain
Deck of cards



Our trinkets are:

-a coffee mug for an 800 series
-a glass for a 300 game
-a deck of cards for a 299 game
-a key chain for a 298 game
-a ball point pen for a merit game score (225, 250, 275)
-a 1/8" thick cork coaster for a 700+ series

They no longer provide any end-of-season awards (team champions, high league avg., etc.)  Used to get key chains for such things.

Don't get me wrong, I see what you guys are saying about awards for leagues bowling in centers where shooting award scores isn't uncommon.  We just throw so few of them (and we have several very good bowlers in our league) that sanctioning doesn't seem worthwhile.

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Funny one about those "special" cards.  Few years back the team we were bowling had a bowler forget to turn in his hand.  I picked them up and put them in my locker to give back the next week.  Of course I forgot and ran across them about a month later.  They had been playing with them all that time and had also lost a couple more cards.  They said they don't ever count the cards just play with what the have.  It was just about the pictures. 
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Thanks for the responses.  We voted to sanction it wasn't even close.
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