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beavertwp

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http://www.inforum.com/sports/4238864-fargo-bowler-no-longer-leader-vegas-tournament

Somewhat confused about Brad Nordick's disqualification. His profile shows a high avg of 208 for the last 3 years. His USBC Open avg is 202 for 18 games (goes to 222 adjusted avg).

Per USBC Open rules, they use your most recent 27 games avg from previous USBC Open games bowled. So he doesn't have enough games for that avg to count.

Maybe he had been rerated in a previous tournament and he didn't report it?
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They found out that he's won plenty of money in scratch tournaments on tough conditions throughout the midwest. That information is supposed to be disclosed on the "green sheet" at nationals, and it was not. His league average (ironically established in a league called "who cares") is likely either sandbagged or on a tougher shot; as soon as he took the lead, reports started rolling in that he's much better than his average indicates, and that he should be vetted a bit more thoroughly. Didn't take USBC long to dig up the truth.

I'm a fan of this new division. I believe it will encourage more "average Joes" to participate. It makes more sense to make the trip if you've actually got a chance to cash or win some bracket money. But the sad reality is that for as long as this division exists, its leaders will be heavily scrutinized. 


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If that's the case good on the tourney directors.Even in leagues bagging is out of hand.
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If that's the case good on the tourney directors.Even in leagues bagging is out of hand.


The captain of the team he was on was suspended previously and also DQ'd due to the fact that while he was a league secretary he misreported his series every week, taking huge chunks off his average. Despite being a ND HOF member, he was trying to gain entry in the 180-209 average division. 
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Thanks for the information.

Yes, the new division will give the avg bowler a better chance of winning some $$. If you're in the standard or classified division and near the top of the leader board, you should be closely examined.
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1. AVERAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR 2017 OPEN CHAMPIONSHIPS

A. The average to be used for participation in the 2017 Open Championships will be the

highest of the following:

1) Highest USBC-certified league average (winter, summer or composite*), based on

21 or more games from:

1) 2015/2016 season or

2) 2014/2015 season or

3) 2013/2014 season

Does this mean the highest in any of these 3 season or if you don't have a 2015/2016 avg. you go to the next one? 
Seems unclear to me.

Now the divisions leave me wondering why a 181 bowler would think he had any chance at all.  Bowling against a 209 average bowler.
Please explain the above, anyone.


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They use the highest of ANY of the last three seasons OR your sport adjusted average from the Open Championships. If you booked 220 for 21 games in a summer league three years ago, and that's the highest of the last three years, that's what you use. If your adjusted average for the last 27 games at Nationals is higher than your league averages, that's what you use.  

And yes, a 181 average would likely struggle compared to the 209 bowlers, but until this year, there were only two divisions: above 180 or under. So last year, for example, that 181 average bowler would be "competing" against Team USA members, PBA champions, previous Eagle winners, etc. This year he has a much better chance of cashing than last year.
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Thanks Runner.  That is what my league does for new bowlers highest for the last 3 years.  Sound like it would be a lot of fun to just bowl in it but winning would be harder than at the roulette wheel.  You need to be a good/lucky 170 bowler or a experienced 220 plus and be Lucky/Good.
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I think you've got three tiers of bowlers at Nationals.

The members of the top 50 teams or so, who are truly competing to win titles. Most of these guys are national hall of fame quality bowlers.  

Then you've got the guys who are good enough to clean up in brackets and make a profit from going to the tournament, but winning isn't really likely (and scores being what they are, a 600 could win you a lot of bracket money.)

And then you've got everyone else, who its more about the experience; and its a good experience. Its a very well run tournament, bowlers are treated well, its a decent vacation regardless of the host city. Any you never know...this could be your lucky year,  
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It is fun. Fordman. Every half way serious bowler should do the walk down the center of the lanes at least once before they hang them up. 
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It is fun. Fordman. Every half way serious bowler should do the walk down the center of the lanes at least once before they hang them up. 


In Vegas you walk in from a side door off lane 60. My personal opinion, you need to bowl at the National Bowling Stadium in Reno once.

One thing I don't understand is why during the march they have you march on the approaches. Bowlers drag (pull) their ball bags and some still have on their street shoes. Too great of a chance of getting dirt, pebbles, etc on the approaches. Have them march in the settee area. My 2 cents.
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My personal opinion, you need to bowl at the National Bowling Stadium in Reno once.


Amen to that! I was living in Reno while the Stadium was being built, my ladies scratch league from the Hilton had more than a few Tuesday Morning league dates there. (Yeah, I'm showing my age a bit here). Plus, working Nationals for ABC that year just provided a ton of great bowling memories.
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