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If you easterners hadn't planned on making it to Nationals this year, you may want to think twice. We're less than a week into the tournament, and some big scores are being posted already. Makes for a much more enjoyable trip when the lanes don't play dead flat.

Tonight, a solid Detroit unit (Billy O, Kurt Pilon, Ryan Mouw,) just shot 3322. That would have won by 50 pins last year, and would have been third the last two years, when USBC began its shift to super challenging conditions. We're less than a week into the tournament a with a 3300. That's interesting. 

My team hadn't planned on making it this year...the first time since 2013. But now that news is coming out, and scores are looking enticing, I'm thinking about planning a trip and trying to catch a team from the sub board.

How about you guys?
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We couldn't really put a team together, everyone's schedules didn't work out.  It would have been fun, but life happens.  Maybe the next opportunity. 
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Me too didn’t work it out. I have two tournaments upcoming next month and in May.
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Some of us on the forum had planned on putting together a team and bowling but like Keith said in the end it didn't work out.  I can't speak for the others but after the USBC started all of this rerate BS with my league I lost any desire to bowl in it, despite the fact that it's only a 1.5 hour trip from my house to Syracuse.
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Me too didn’t work it out. I have two tournaments upcoming next month and in May.


At least I will get to meet another member of the forum when Paul comes to Detroit to bowl in his tournament in a few weeks.  He wants to experience Lafayette Coney Island!
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Does anyone know what tournament was held in Cleveland a few weeks ago?  There were 3 guys in my league who said they son money in it.  I'm sure it was a scratch tournament. 
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Some of us on the forum had planned on putting together a team and bowling but like Keith said in the end it didn't work out.  I can't speak for the others but after the USBC started all of this rerate BS with my league I lost any desire to bowl in it, despite the fact that it's only a 1.5 hour trip from my house to Syracuse.


I think that the BPAA influence is going to wreck the tournament eventually. They are discussing using different patterns for the different divisions. This is typical bowling proprietor thinking, make the shot easier to keep the bowlers happy. Don't they realize that this will force teams to break up? On different conditions you simply cannot have a team with some of their bowlers in one division and some in another. What happens if a team or doubles pair has bowlers from different divisions? They would be forced to bowl in the upper division condition even if they qualify (by combined average) for the lower division. They are already planning to use different average standards for the divisions, with the open division going from a 210 league average (adjusted upward if deemed necessary) to a 176 tournament average (last 27 games). Just think of it, the ability to shoot 530 on a sport shot puts you in the same category as the world's greatest bowlers, with a miniscule chance of cashing. But if you average 525 a set you are one of the best bowlers in the next division. With 27 tournament games used for your entering average you will have bowlers bouncing back and forth between the divisions if they have a good or bad set. I think the sandbaggers would love that scenario. If you cash big one year you make sure you bowl bad the next to drop back down to the lower division. Or you make sure one set each tournament is low enough to keep you from moving up.

This year is my 38th, and I really wanted to get to 50 tournaments. I'm beginning to wonder if it will still be going, assuming I am still bowling in 12 years. 
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I think that the BPAA influence is going to wreck the tournament eventually. They are discussing using different patterns for the different divisions. This is typical bowling proprietor thinking, make the shot easier to keep the bowlers happy. Don't they realize that this will force teams to break up? On different conditions you simply cannot have a team with some of their bowlers in one division and some in another. What happens if a team or doubles pair has bowlers from different divisions? They would be forced to bowl in the upper division condition even if they qualify (by combined average) for the lower division. They are already planning to use different average standards for the divisions, with the open division going from a 210 league average (adjusted upward if deemed necessary) to a 176 tournament average (last 27 games). Just think of it, the ability to shoot 530 on a sport shot puts you in the same category as the world's greatest bowlers, with a miniscule chance of cashing. But if you average 525 a set you are one of the best bowlers in the next division. With 27 tournament games used for your entering average you will have bowlers bouncing back and forth between the divisions if they have a good or bad set. I think the sandbaggers would love that scenario. If you cash big one year you make sure you bowl bad the next to drop back down to the lower division. Or you make sure one set each tournament is low enough to keep you from moving up.

This year is my 38th, and I really wanted to get to 50 tournaments. I'm beginning to wonder if it will still be going, assuming I am still bowling in 12 years. 



I always thought it made sense to use your open championships average to rate the bowlers. I fall right on the cusp of regular and standard division (my last 27 games avg is 173 so I'm not great...) and chances are I will be in the regular division in 2019 since my oldest 9 games was a low 1500. If I get to regular division again I will have no chance of cashing, at least in standard I can get a few bucks. It won't stop me from going though because it's always a good guys' trip and I like to challenge myself.

I havent heard about using different oil patterns for different divisions but that is a horrible idea. The best part of nationals is seeing how you stack up against everyone else on the same patterns so you can see who the top bowlers are. I think it adds a level of respect for the top bowlers because everyone knows how challenging the conditions were that year. This is why I wish leagues would all be sport compliant so your average Joe would be able to understand just how talented the pros are on TV... instead of comparing their open bowl scores to the US open scores...
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I will be heading to Syracuse on May 31st.  I bowl team event on June 3rd and minors on the 4th.  Wish me luck! I will need it!
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Good luck to you. I am bowling June 1st and 2nd. This is my 38th, and I have to admit that I am now a participant instead of a competitor. My last three years have been the three lowest all-events totals of my career, and I haven't had a 600 at the tournament since 2014. My accuracy is still pretty decent, but I no longer make up for a split/open with a double to grind out 190s. I can still hang in there on conditions when more friction is available, but since going to fresh oil for every squad I've had a rough time at the Open. I'm going to try to use more surface than I have in the past and see if that helps. My carry can't get much worse.
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Good luck to you. I am bowling June 1st and 2nd. This is my 38th, and I have to admit that I am now a participant instead of a competitor. My last three years have been the three lowest all-events totals of my career, and I haven't had a 600 at the tournament since 2014. My accuracy is still pretty decent, but I no longer make up for a split/open with a double to grind out 190s. I can still hang in there on conditions when more friction is available, but since going to fresh oil for every squad I've had a rough time at the Open. I'm going to try to use more surface than I have in the past and see if that helps. My carry can't get much worse.


My intel informs me that the team event pattern has plenty of hook but the minors pattern is tight.  Neither pattern has any hold area unless you can set them up accordingly during your practice round.  I am older and my joints are shot to crud, it takes my body light years to warm up and get loose.
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My best three game series is 573 during my prior tournament in 2016 [Reno].  I am not very skilled.  I am working on improving though. 
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If only Detroit put in a bid to host the event in 2022!!!
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