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Pretty sad that out of 120 contestants only the top
30 cash and that for most probably doesn't cover
expenses


https://www.pba.com/articles/Jason-Belmonte-to-Try-for-10th-Major-Title-From-Top-Qualifying-Position-in-Barbasol-PBA-Players-Championship-Finals

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What is sad the that Tom Clark's PBA doesn't even care about prize funds anymore. Remember the $500,000 Seagram's Coolers U.S. Open? When was the last time the purse was included into a PBA tournament title.

While $50,000 for 1st place is still a lot of money, it really isn't when you realize pro bowlers were bowling for that kind of money 20 years ago.

The PBA has failed bowling.

Say it out loud, "Tom Clark is a journalist, not a businessman." That's all you need to know about the future of the PBA.


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I was happy to see Smallwood win! A local guy throwing local equipment, all out of Michigan!

Great way to run the ladder and made the shots he needed to make. 
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I was happy for him to win in front of his family.
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Say it out loud, "Tom Clark is a journalist, not a businessman."


I know this is your favorite line to use and all, but what about all those businessman who ran the PBA deeper and deeper into debt that preceded Clark? There were a handful of commissioners before him that considered themselves fancy business execs, and made the product less profitable and less interesting. 
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...but what about all those businessman who ran the PBA deeper and deeper into debt that preceded Clark? There were a handful of commissioners before him that considered themselves fancy business execs, and made the product less profitable and less interesting. 

They also had to deal with a changing demographic and these 'fancy business execs' were used to dealing with our generation (most of us here are 'boomers') and the kids had different views of what constitutes 'fun'.

Golf has been able to market it to younger generations thanks to people like Tiger Woods, plus golf has the advantage of being a 'rich man's game' (bowling has been considered a 'blue collar sport') and there's also a lot more room for people to see the pros' golf whereas you can only fit so many people into a bowling center or arena who are willing to pay.

In my opinion, it didn't help when ABC bowed to the pressure of BPAA in the 1980's and I can remember the lively discussions I had with the proprietor (my employer) about how I believed that the BPAA wasn't doing themselves any favors in trying to cheapen up the game by making the shot easier.

I believe that once you cheapen the skill of bowling, it's damn hard to try and legitimize the sport again.
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Well, I mean golf got easier through equipment technology too.  Back in the 1970's no one had a 7 foot driver with an anvil at the end of it.
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Well, I mean golf got easier through equipment technology too.  Back in the 1970's no one had a 7 foot driver with an anvil at the end of it.

I've seen that too and I'm not as impressed with the sport as I had been when my grandfather and uncles took up the sport, at least they have the advantage of being able to change the coarse to make it harder, whereas bowling is sixty feet from foul line to the center of the head pin and has been since Day One.

The PGA has also had some sense in that they have disqualified over-the-top equipment 'upgrades', bowling...not so much
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 at least they have the advantage of being able to change the coarse to make it harder, whereas bowling is sixty feet from foul line to the center of the head pin and has been since Day One.


Bowling has sport conditions to make the course harder. Much, much harder. The lane man decides how tough the game is. 

Its not a hard game to be good at, but its a very, very hard one to be great at.

I don't think there's anything cheapened about the modern game. Sure its much easier to average 200 than it used to be (as we seem to love to focus on, on this forum) but the modern scoring pace is around 230. And that's very hard (at least here in Arizona.) So is a 200 average on sport conditions. 

The challenge is still exactly the same. Just the number associated with the challenge is different. No big deal. 
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The challenge is still exactly the same. Just the number associated with the challenge is different. No big deal. 

I disagree, the scores are being inflated to make people feel better about their 'skill' (akin to getting a 'participation trophy') and it's hurting the sport right along with the PBA.

How do you think golf would fair if people were getting a hole-in-one every other minute?  The only One I know who could golf an eighteen game probably has too many things on His Mind to take time out to do something so simple, yet, that's what bowling has become.

Both golf and bowling have a 'finite' score, the problem is that I don't know of any human (without cheating) who has scored a perfect game in golf but I know a lot of people who have bowled 300 in bowling.

Bowling is on the decline and there's plenty of blame to go around.
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The fact that my bowling average is the same as Pete Weber's on the pro tour is one factor in holding bowling out of the Olympics. Non-bowlers can't tell who is the best at bowling. Bowling uses an antiquated handicap system that doesn't help. Golf's handicap system let's you know who is better than whom.

Prior to the '80s, when bowling used pretty much flat patterns everywhere, you knew who was the best because typical league bowlers didn't average 200. 

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Prior to the '80s, when bowling used pretty much flat patterns everywhere, you knew who was the best because typical league bowlers didn't average 200. 

The good old days!
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