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NewYorkDave

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Today I bowled on old wood lanes that were very dry and my ball kept hooking WAY left. I kept moving left, but I have trouble playing that sort of line. So just for laughs, I tried the ol' full roller. It worked great! In fact, it was the only thing that could buy me a strike today.

People sneer at the full roller nowadays--but I guess the moral of this story is that sometimes, it can still do the job.

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I've seen what a full roller looks like on a layout page, but I've never actually seen it in action (or have and just don't know its a full roller). Is there an example out there of a full roller release?
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Ernie Schlegel in his younger days..with urethane and/or rubber..

even when he threw reactive in the 95' TPC..his ball reacted kinda wierd..



im sure he even had more of a full roller than in that video..but thats a good example of it

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Billy Hardwick.



(Hey, check out Marshall's hairdo! I used to wear mine just like that).

The full roller is executed with a "suitcase" grip with the hand is on top of the ball. Bringing the hand up at release imparts a little natural spin. The ball tracks between the thumb and fingerholes.




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Where?

And if you want to see a real full roller, there's a picture of a local bowler from the area, Kevin Raymond, hanging in Barry's office at SDB.  He still bowls at Mardi-Bob now and again.
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It so happens that it was Mardi-Bob!

The suitcase is actually the most comfortable grip for me to use right now, due to a weak wrist. Gotta get me a Wristmaster or somethin'...

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Didn't Don Johnson have a Full Roller Track, as well as Mike Durbin, at least when he started on the tour.


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I don't know offhand... But I believe the full-roller was the release of choice before they switched from shellac lane finishes. It definitely persisted into the lacquer and even urethane eras of lane finishes, although the evidence suggests it was on the decline as early as the 1960s. But when I was a kid, bowling in the late '70s, some of the older guys still used it.


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Check out Wayne Zahn in 1969, decimating the pins with what appears to be a full-roller delivery:






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Ah, ok I see how its done. I used to do that for my ten pin shots.
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He still gets it at the bottom a little better than a true full roller, but that's close.

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Reviving this old thread because there was a Full-Roller discussion over at PBA and I posted the following:

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Here's a 1955 BPAA promotional film, "Let's Go Bowling." In the first clip, at 13:40, there's a slo-mo of Ned Day that shows his delivery in good detail. The slo-mo and analysis continue into the second clip.

http://www.archive.org/details/LetsGoBo1955
http://www.archive.org/details/LetsGoBo1955_2



So watch those clips if you want to get a real good idea of how the full-roller delivery is done.



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Wait, women, out of the house?  Having fun?   How dare they!

But really.... I love these kinds of videos that give a view into the past eras.

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Dave, I have a teammate who still rolls a full roller. He didn't get a new ball for years because the 2 proshops around here didn't know how to drill it. Well, I go to a shop a little farther and asked him if he knew how. He said sure.

Well my friend bought a new ball, drilled for a full roller grip, and he just loves the reaction he now gets.

He won't change his grip, but drilling the ball correctly for him has really helped. He has broken the 200 average barrier for the first time with the new ball.
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And to add. Yes, his track is between the thumb and fingers. He even still uses the snap release where you flick your fingers as if to snap your fingers after letting the ball go. And, he has a very high lift after the release.

Old habits are sometimes hard to break.
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