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I understood about the first half of this, but then the geometry and physics got way over my old brain.  I think I know why I don't score as well as I think I should, but I doubt that will help me tomorrow or the next day.  I got the distinct impression the rule changes are for the upper 1/2 % of bowlers today.
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I think I saw this a while back.  It was interesting but a little too techinal for me.  Still a good watch.
My pro shop guy told me that he was told that the new head honcho at USBC doesn't listen to his tech guy and that is why a lot of the new spec's engineer (the only one they have) were put in.  Like I said it is all above my knowledge level.

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All of my bowling balls now conform to the new bowling ball standards (no weight hole). Of course, that means I've bought 3 bowling ball this fall alone, but hey, it's only money.
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I was recently told that the reason I am bowling at the level I am is because I am so accurate, and not because I have any real pin action.  I was told I roll too good a ball and that if I had more revs I would throw the pins around a whole lot more.  Yeah like my old arthritic body can do that.  What I can do is change the surface and play up the boards and let the lane/ball interaction do the work.

Sheesh, and I thought I was doing this for relaxation

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With the ball technology today it isn't the lack of "revs" but the lack of speed which can make it so difficult for us older guys. The friction of reactive balls combined with low RG modern cores makes the ball come out of a skid too soon unless you have enough speed, or the amount of hook forces you to play a poor carry angle. 

On my Friday night team the captain picked up a guy older than me (I'm 60 now), someone who averages in the low 180s on a sport condition. The league re-rated him to 210, and we have a 10-pin drop rule. On the "easy" condition we bowl on he was at 175 when he quit. The problem was he didn't have enough speed for the condition. He was certainly accurate enough, and a good spare shooter. But he couldn't throw strikes on the Friday night shot. Now maybe he didn't try everything he could have, but he was frankly embarrassed by how poor he was doing and felt he was holding the team back. He asked the captain to replace him he was gone.
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What I have watched in training videos has been that in the modern game. it is the speed of the ball, axis rotation, axis tilt, and revs that makes the ball change direction.  Add to that, the ability to cup and un cup your wrist for that snappy release, and changing ball surface, and you have the complete bowler.  I have upped my speed to 14.5 or more, but don't have the other components in any consistent supply, to get the ball to finish with any power.  I am left with adjusting ball surface, and changing my angles.  I will continue to make changes until I get a delivery I can repeat, and scores I can accept.  Right now I am going 200+ two of three games but still hovering around 200 average, which is frustrating the tar out of me.
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Making the ball change direction isn't the issue for me, at least not on house conditions. All I need to do is get the ball right of the 10 board. My ball speed is in the 14-15 MPH range at release, slowing to 12-ish at the pins. I don't get any "messenger" strikes. Hook shape and entry angle are critical, and I've had many nights where I could only manage a double or two in three games. Those are the truly frustrating nights, where you see guys spraying the ball all over the lane and throwing big games while you keep hitting the pocket and leaving spares.

I know this is probably tempting fate, but at least I'm leaving fewer pocket 7-10s than I used to. I'm not sure if this is because I've finally figured something out or because I can no longer hook the ball hard and late.
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I have been saying that for a long time about the modern game it is more about speed than anything else.  The modern balls suck up the oil and slower bowler are screwed.  As to peoples speed my 1st ball hasn't been 12 all year.  Are new scorers seem slow as I haven't seen a 17 all year.  We have some guys who throw really hard and most are around 15.  That is at the pins. 
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Making the ball change direction isn't the issue for me, at least not on house conditions. All I need to do is get the ball right of the 10 board. My ball speed is in the 14-15 MPH range at release, slowing to 12-ish at the pins. I don't get any "messenger" strikes. Hook shape and entry angle are critical, and I've had many nights where I could only manage a double or two in three games. Those are the truly frustrating nights, where you see guys spraying the ball all over the lane and throwing big games while you keep hitting the pocket and leaving spares.

I know this is probably tempting fate, but at least I'm leaving fewer pocket 7-10s than I used to. I'm not sure if this is because I've finally figured something out or because I can no longer hook the ball hard and late.


I'm trying to get a later break point and still keep my accuracy up.  I'm trying a smoother finish like 1,000 and then doing a polish over the top.  Problem is I never get lanes that are anything like the next pair, or one hooks to the gutter and the other slides past my break point.  One place we go to always gives the left lane to open bowlers, so that is the lane that's fried.  No house around here oils in the morning and will not let you on after they have prepped for leagues, so how are you supposed to check for a consistent reaction.  i am coming to the conclusion that no practice is going to prepare me for whatever screw ball conditions we are going to get next week.

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FWIW in my own personal experience I get the most consistent ball reaction when the ball (which in my case is urethane) has some amount of surface on it.  A shined up ball is more sensitive to hitting a spot of heavier oil and skating while having a little surface on it evens out the reaction a bit.  Urethane evens out the reaction as well.  
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FWIW in my own personal experience I get the most consistent ball reaction when the ball (which in my case is urethane) has some amount of surface on it.  A shined up ball is more sensitive to hitting a spot of heavier oil and skating while having a little surface on it evens out the reaction a bit.  Urethane evens out the reaction as well.  


I actually bowl best on mostly dry lanes.  I like rolling the big hook so lanes with some use suit me well.  I never have been able to chase the oil with any success.  I have taken balls down to 180 and chewed a spot in the lanes to use, but the house I am in leagues at oils from the 3 board to the 37 board down 47 feet with enough volume that I use a shinier ball and hurl a rocket to the pocket until my bad hip starts giving me fits.

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